Curse

Str0b0 · Oct 02, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by fenix

Not at all. People can report you for ANYTHING, and you'll get the hex. They should make it that if you get reported for abuse, you are banned from where you were reported. It shouldn't cross over into other PvP, makes no sense. The system can be abused so much, that it should just be situational, rather than applying to EVERYWHERE.

Yeah but it's not just one person that reports you and poof you get the hex. You have to be reported by a majority of your last team. To me that says you probably deserved whatever you got. I mean if you just ticked off one person then it could be a misunderstanding but if you ticked off a majority of your last team you had to have done something jack-assy. Now if you do something jack-assy once then odds are you'll do it again and I think you should be forced to have a little PvP time out. If you are leeching and you get reported you're a lame PvPer anyway and you should sit out and reconsider whether or not PvP is really for you. If you are being abusive then you should be forced to sit out because you obviously take PvP waaaaaay too seriously.

Unless you are insinuating that there is a rash of teams, in AB, and RA this generally means strangers, that are just up and deciding to falsely report people for doing absolutely nothing wrong then I can't see how this is not working properly. I think it is far more likely that the people who have the hex on them deserve the hex rather than there being this group of people who are sitting down because they were unjustly reported by a majority of their team.

lucifer_uk · Oct 02, 2007, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

And that has anything to do with why you're wrong and have no clue? And continue speaking out of your ass?

Look there's no need to make this a personal discussion mate.

Teams work in different ways, its a game and surely its about having a good time. If your 8 man gvg guild is good for you then enjoy it, if a 16 man gvg team guild is good for another then let them enjoy it.

There's advantages to both and there's no right or wrong way of doing it, just the way that works for you.

Nice edit but not in time.

twicky_kid · Oct 02, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

I can imagine with the shear number of reports being made that its handled by an automated system. I dought Anet has the man power to read through all the reports to justify the dishonor.

Its really a bad system because you can be reported for anything as long as 3 other people make a report against the same player. The idea was good but as usual Anet's implication is very poor.

Yichi · Oct 02, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

How can it be PuG when we all wear the same cape???

Any player in a pug guild, outside of guests, has the same cape... point?

Darko_UK · Oct 02, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Seems as though it's working as intended.

glountz · Oct 02, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Pay for what? Trouble in RA is quite possibly the most insignificant thing in the game. Not being allowed to GvG, for the 7 people irritated by that, is, on a scale of inconvenience, far higher.
The idea is fine, it could have been implemented better.

The fact that Allience guildies couldn't GvG is completely insignificant to those who were left or leeched or jack-assed by them. So I think it's fair.

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Originally Posted by Fenix

Not at all. People can report you for ANYTHING, and you'll get the hex. They should make it that if you get reported for abuse, you are banned from where you were reported. It shouldn't cross over into other PvP, makes no sense. The system can be abused so much, that it should just be situational, rather than applying to EVERYWHERE.

+1 with strobo. Additionnally, I would kindly ask you proofs and screenshots that you or any of your guildies/friends were falsely or wrongly reported. I'm quite sick of people complaining that the system would be abused when, after 3 entire days of RA/TA/AB, I didn't see ANY evidence of that. Each reported people I saw had actually one of the bad behavior quotable in the report panel.

lucifer_uk · Oct 02, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

EDIT: For lucifer_uk

Awwww I feel loved now

Personally I think the system is working fine.
I've not heard anyone complaining about it outside forums.

TheZens · Oct 02, 2007, 03:27 PM // 15:27

Scenario;

30 minutes before a GvG AT tournament match your guild is scheduled to play you decide to get some practice playing power block mesmer so you role your mesmer and go to RA to practice pb'ing a necro or monk or whatever you may come up against.

45 seconds into your first match the wammo rages through some hexes (because you were pb'ing a monk) and gets himself killed, you chuckle to yourself inside and use your res sig. 2 Minutes later your team has wiped and your barely alive and said random wammo says you didnt bring res so /report your name the other 2 sheep in your team decide to /report you as well and bingo you have 6 dishonor points and your team lose as you say no i used my res early in the match. Trying to forget what happened you continue to play RA to practice but in order to make it to the guild hall in time for the group to be formed you have to leave your group but whoops you left RA now you have 11 dishonor and have to deal with 11 minutes of being banned from PvP. But wait whats that you cant start that AT Tourney anymore.

Now someone please tell me how this scenario is fair for the person and his 7 guild members. Yes he deserved 5 points for leaving but the other 6? now he and his guild cant play the AT.

Bottom line the dishonor threshold needs to be raised a bit to stop silly scenario's like this or better yet stopping it from effecting HA/GvG.

Lonesamurai · Oct 02, 2007, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

What Yichi is referring to are guilds that people use to pug people from other guilds and just have gvg for fun. These guilds are usually used for lots and lots of champ point farming too, since they don't care whether they win or lose. But you already know that, dont you?

Actually no, thats not what he/she means

However I have (usually) a core of 12 to 16 people for GvG, some have talents others don't and it also allows us to try things out without needing to find another guild/pug to scrimm against

The PuG styled guild they are reffering to is what you mentioned, however, people seem to have misunderstood what i do about it, i don't have players jumping in and out willynilly, I have 16 core players that replace people if they have to go (young gamers or parents with kids to look after) or some just can't make it to play

Like i said before, I run myguilds GvG team like a football team, I have subs and replacements on the bench incase of injury, death or real life things

(Please note the sense fo fun in my seriousness there, I just don't like being misunderstood)

Croco Clouds · Oct 02, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

Well, I never saw someone leech his/her own guild lol

Healers Wisper · Oct 02, 2007, 03:42 PM // 15:42

I actually like the /report system. I am also getting sick of the complaints about people falsly reporting people. You know what, false reports get dishonor. It may happen for a short time but people will quickly figure it out. Just like leechers/leavers/and asshats.

Really, if you are afraid of a report, look at your behavior and change it to not offend the people playing the game. You do not exsist in a GW vaccume. I am sick of the constant ass hats that run around this game and make it not fun for honest people trying to enjoy areana that randomly group, or that degrade people cause they hate their lives.

I also feel that if you decide to be a donkey in one area of the game you should get a time out. too many people don't understand the idea of consequences. You bail on two groups in RA and get the hex, you shouldn't be able to now GVG cause you can't screw people over in AB or RA. get over yourselfs.

If you get dishonor, look at your actions, possibly even change them. Those other toons out there are people too looking to have a good time, and you (or your guildie) might actually be turning this game into a negative experience.

glountz · Oct 02, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by TheZens

Scenario;

30 minutes before a GvG AT tournament match your guild is scheduled to play you decide to get some practice playing power block mesmer so you role your mesmer and go to RA to practice pb'ing a necro or monk or whatever you may come up against.

45 seconds into your first match the wammo rages through some hexes (because you were pb'ing a monk) and gets himself killed, you chuckle to yourself inside and use your res sig. 2 Minutes later your team has wiped and your barely alive and said random wammo says you didnt bring res so /report your name the other 2 sheep in your team decide to /report you as well and bingo you have 6 dishonor points and your team lose as you say no i used my res early in the match. Trying to forget what happened you continue to play RA to practice but in order to make it to the guild hall in time for the group to be formed you have to leave your group but whoops you left RA now you have 11 dishonor and have to deal with 11 minutes of being banned from PvP. But wait whats that you cant start that AT Tourney anymore.

Now someone please tell me how this scenario is fair for the person and his 7 guild members. Yes he deserved 5 points for leaving but the other 6? now he and his guild cant play the AT.

Bottom line the dishonor threshold needs to be raised a bit to stop silly scenario's like this or better yet stopping it from effecting HA/GvG.

That's a scenario. Something virtual that didn't happen. Nobody will report you because you didn't rez.
Enough scenarios, real proofs now. I repeat again and again, until now, I DIDN'T SEE ANYONE ABUSING THE /REPORT FEATURE AFTER DAYS OF RA/AB/TA.
Stop posting if this is only to complain about things that didn't happen.

fenix · Oct 02, 2007, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Once again, there is a thread about PvP, and an issue that people have with it, and the thread is full of PvErs who have never experienced high end GvG. If you want discussion, head over to The Campfire, it's more in your alley. Leave the GvG discussion to the ones who actually do it.

As for this issue, I agree with Yichi, Avarre, etc. That's because they are right. The system is too easily abused, and can leave a GvG team crippled if one of their key members gets Dishonorable. It's not just a case of "grab another member". Most TOP guilds only have a few extra, so that they don't continually change positions. It would DEFINITELY be a hindrance if you had one of your core team Dishonorable'd right before an AT. And if you don't know what that would be like, please don't post.

prism2525 · Oct 02, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

From what I'm reading it seems that right now the jerk-asses are thriving.

I've been a bit unactive (say totally unactive) lately and this is just telling me "Stay at home till things go quiet again". If i go PuG, i may get reported, if i go pvp, i have a 50%+ chance of getting reported (not by quitting myself, of course). The only thing left to do while it clears is to GRIND those FABULOUS rep points with my trusty henchies.

Regards to the GvG problem, I cannot imagine someone who wants to stay on a GvG team to go on raging or even quitting in the middle of a GvG match. We know our guildies much more than PuGs, so behaviour would be different. However, I'm not saying that it must not affect GvG, as when a child breaks a plate, her mother won't tell her that he won't be let to touch other plates, but that he's grounded. The system as it is if FAR too abusable though, so at least until Anet finds a better way, reduce the penalties.

allience · Oct 02, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

lonesamurai plz go troll elsewhere.

and the rest of u are losing track of the topic. this is not about how many players a guild has. this thread was made by me because i think that the dishonor hex should be only applied to the area of offense RA, AB or challenge missions).

the dishonor system was put in place to address the leavers/leechers problem in THOSE 3 ARENAS (RA. AB, Challenge Missions). WHY in the world is it extended to other forms of pvp when the problem was ONLY in those 3 arenas?

the way it is now just asks for abuse. lemme tell u 1 thing, i could report a person myself, without any help from other ppl, 5 times. if i would ask the help of some friends, u can imagine the number..

now imagine this kind of abuse on top guilds 1 day before a championship, just so the dishonor kicks in. when u report somebody, u don't take a screenshot or anything, just /report name+reason.

anyway the point is that justice league is not gonna work in gw and it should only be applied to those areas that it was meant for (RA, AB, Challenge Missions).

Dougal Kronik · Oct 02, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

/not signed

Play nice or be punished.

Str0b0 · Oct 02, 2007, 04:27 PM // 16:27

I fail to see any evidence provided of this "abuse" I hear a lot about potential but no real evidence. All we have is these people who say that their guildies, whom they swear are fine upstanding players, were unfairly reported. It's their word alone. In fact odds are they never even saw the matches that the reports were netted from. They have nothing but their guildie's word that they did nothing to deserve the report. I don't know about you but I tend not to trust anonymous people that easily. For that matter if my friend was acting like an ass I bet you he would deny it to save face. The bottom line is it is far more likely that the reports were deserved than that these reports were spawned from a sort of mini mob mentality or flat out malicious conspiracy by team mates. It just stretches the boundaries of belief to ask us to accept that either; A) one strong whiner managed to sway the others by force of personality alone or; B) that these random people decided out of the blue for no reason other than sheer maliciousness to make a false report. I have rarely met a whiner that struck me as that charismatic and I find it hard to believe that random people that you don't know would just all decide amongst themselves to report you for nothing at all.

Chthon · Oct 02, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

Tell them not to leave/leach/abuse pvp before a gvg match?

Quoted for truth.

Yanman.be · Oct 02, 2007, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Here's my theory: AT's, let them be GvG or HvH....if you know your opponent, let a couple of his buddies dishonor him? win win win!

lyra_song · Oct 02, 2007, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Paying 20k for you to report _________

.-. abuseable?